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You&rsquo;ve done your homework. You&rsquo;ve planned your home. But there&rsquo;s this really annoying space you don&rsquo;t know what do to with. Enter Jordan. He eats spaces for breakfast. Jordan Toh, director and founder of Zenith Arc, has been in the business for six years. More if you count from his first ever job when he was 20 where he picked up all the tricks of the ID trade. Whether it&rsquo;s landed, HDB, industrial, or commercial property, trust him to maximise space in ways most don&rsquo;t think of. We grabbed Jordan when he wasn&rsquo;t looking and squeezed an interview out of him. <img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1659007002253-1659007002252.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">Photo Credit:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/zenith-arc">Zenith Arc</a>&nbsp;How Did You Get Into Interior Design? Who Or What Was Your Inspiration?Basically, it was money-driven. (Laughs) Back then, if you wanted to make money, you&rsquo;d go into property, selling insurance, and dealing in cars. What they had in common in that they&rsquo;re sales driven. Interior design was slightly different but, ultimately, it&rsquo;s sales-driven. I wanted to decide how much I got to earn; I didn&rsquo;t want to be stuck with a fixed salary all my life. It was by chance I got into my first interior design firm and started my on job training with the team involved.&nbsp;You Mentioned That ID Was Kind Of Like Sales But Different. How Is It Different?&nbsp;You see, insurance agents sells policies. Car agents have a physical product, the vehicle. In property, you have a flat or something to sell. However, in ID, there&rsquo;s no physical product. You&rsquo;re selling yourself.&nbsp; <img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1659007002286-1659007002286.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">Photo Credit: <a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/zenith-arc">Zenith Arc</a>&nbsp;So There&rsquo;s More Flexibility In What You Do?I don&rsquo;t think so. It&rsquo;s far more challenging. <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/guide-choosing-an-interior-designer-in-singapore">Interior design</a> isn&rsquo;t a job; it&rsquo;s a profession. You need a lot of technical and material knowledge. You need to know how to do a flat that meets owners&rsquo; tastes. You can&rsquo;t know these things just by reading books or going for courses. It&rsquo;s all about hands-on experience, communication, and getting down into the dirt at the jobsite. It&rsquo;s not even a single transaction; it&rsquo;s a three to four month process. That includes everything from planning to implementation. <img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1659007002316-1659007002316.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">Photo Credit: <a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/zenith-arc">Zenith Arc</a>&nbsp;How Else Is ID Different From The Other Sales-Driven Fields?The thing with other jobs is that your seniors are the ones that judge your work. But with ID, homeowners look up to you for expertise and advice. When I got my first customer, he was this really well-off guy. A property developer with a Ferrari and all. However, despite him having a better social standing, he still looked up to me for advice.&nbsp; Tell Me More About Your First Job With This Property Developer.Well, he came to me for a solution to resolve the clutter in the space he was living in. Since he&rsquo;s a property developer, I would eventually end up designing seven other projects for him including places at Caribbean at Keppel Bay and The Sail at Marina Bay.&nbsp;Every Artist Has Their Proudest Work. What Would You Say Is Yours Is?It was for the same person. It was a very small place he bought and wanted to rent out. Space was an issue; the potential tenants wanted more. So we resolved it. Increased the space around key rooms. Within a month of completion, he managed to secure a tenancy.&nbsp;What Kind Of Challenges Were There?Every project has its <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/9-mistakes-to-avoid-with-your-first-home">issues and hiccups</a> but usually they&rsquo;re not usually an issue. The management and security were quite tight; smack in the middle of the CBD and lots of expatriates there. So we had manage our time well to work within very small time frames we were allowed to work.&nbsp;&nbsp;What Guides Your Work? What&rsquo;s Your Design Philosophy Is?&nbsp;Design is largely dependent on client requirements and we work around their requests. But no matter what the design involves, the space should be convenient to use and functional. Home or business, <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/space-savings-hacks-with-platform-beds-and-storage-to-maximise-your-bedroom">space</a> must be fully utilised.&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1659007002344-1659007002344.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">Photo Credit:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/zenith-arc">Zenith Arc</a>&nbsp;No Idea Ever Comes From a Vacuum. What Inspires You? Where Do Your Ideas Come From?Ideas come from my past projects, areas that I&#39;ve visited, or images that I&#39;ve seen across many platforms, like Google and Pinterest. They&rsquo;re products that I can see and envision. They kind of create thoughts and images that blend together in the subconscious mind.&nbsp; &nbsp;What Is One Advice You&rsquo;d Like To Give To Up And Coming Interior Designers?Interior Design is a profession not just a job. There&rsquo;s a lot of material, technical, construction, coordination and presentation knowledge involved. There will never be a single project without hiccups and issues. One must be ready to accept challenges before they step in as interior designers because clients will be entrusting them with their life savings to fulfil their dream space.&nbsp;

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You thought about it. Then thought about it again. And again. You can&rsquo;t quite get rid of the bothersome feeling that something&rsquo;s missing&hellip; missing a little bit of you. Then you should book an appointment with Kelvin, a professional small details expert on making places feel like&hellip; you. Director and founder of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/the-local-project"></a><a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/the-local-project">The Local Project</a>, he and his team have been around the block for two years. Highly experienced, he&rsquo;s sensitive to the needs of the owner and ensures that, in every job, he&rsquo;s mindful of making homeowners&#39; homes distinctively their own and not designed like cookie-cutter ones. To learn more about what makes Kelvin tick, we kidnapped him (temporarily!) for an interview.&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1661230198527-1661230198527.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">&nbsp;Who Are You And What&rsquo;s Your Position In The Local Project?&nbsp;I am the founder as well as the director of the,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/the-local-project"></a><a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/the-local-project">The Local Project</a>.I oversee every running project and day to day operations.&nbsp;Every Artist Has Their Humble Beginnings. What Was Yours? What Got You Into Interior Design? Who Is Or Was Your Inspiration In Interior Design?&nbsp;I have always been drawn to designing and art since young.Unfortunately, I wasn&rsquo;t able to enrol into an art school as my family couldn&rsquo;t support the school fees financially.&nbsp;Did You Always Know That You Were Going Into Interior Design?&nbsp;Not at all! In fact, I studied IT engineering.&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1661230198561-1661230198560.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">&nbsp;So What Happened After That? I was actively looking for a job to financially support myself once I completed NS and that&rsquo;s when I came across a lucrative job where you could earn up to $8000 a month at an interior design firm.&nbsp;That Was Quite The Promise! Did You Get The Job AND That Salary? Definitely, but I only managed to earn $800 per month instead of the lucrative deal which was posted. (Laughs)&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1661230198592-1661230198592.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">&nbsp;How Did You Feel About That?&nbsp;Well, it wasn&rsquo;t a problem for me back then as I was inexperienced.This job opportunity was a big learning curve for me as I was required to physically be on site every day. That allowed me to build a rapport with the <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/best-renovation-contractor-in-singapore">contractors</a> as well as subcontractors. This made it easy for me to ask them a lot of things that I was unsure about and curious about. I definitely learned a lot right from them.&nbsp;How Did You Transition From Being Employed To Being An Employer? What Was The Drive?&nbsp;It was the passion I&rsquo;ve always had for designing and art. (Laughs)Being able to follow my dreams and starting entrepreneurship is super exciting for me as&nbsp;I can shape my company to be something I&rsquo;ll be proud of. I may even pass my legacy on to my children someday.&nbsp;Starting a Business Is a Big Step. Was There Any Hesitation?&nbsp;Not at all as I always knew what I wanted.&nbsp;What Was Your First ID Job? What Was It Like?&nbsp;The first was a really memorable&nbsp;bedroom makeover at Mei Hwan terrace.&nbsp;The owner was a pink lover and this was a makeover to turn her entire bedroom into pink.&nbsp;The bed, Study table, and display cabinet were customized to pink. (Laughs)&nbsp;How About The Most Influential Job &ndash; One That Changed How You Do Things?&nbsp;It was to manage an architect&rsquo;s home renovation where the design and drawings were done by the owner himself. The entire <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/6-facts-about-renovating-in-Singapore">renovation process</a> was extremely tedious as every little detail including tile placement had to be exact. From this, I&rsquo;ve learned that no details are too small and this also taught me to be meticulous and detailed orientated to this day.&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1661230198614-1661230198614.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">&nbsp;Every Artist Has Their Proudest Work. What Would You Say Yours Is?&nbsp;I always give my best creativity to fit each and every homeowner&rsquo;s requirement as well as their <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/renovation-on-budget">budget</a>. Therefore, every house which I&rsquo;ve designed is my proudest achievement.&nbsp;Kinda Like Asking You To Pick Your Favourite Child?&nbsp;(Laughs) Exactly that.&nbsp;What Guides Your Work? What Would You Say Your Design Philosophy Is?&nbsp;&ldquo;Your home should tell the story of who you are, and be a collection of what you love, brought together under one roof.&rdquo; That&rsquo;s a quote from Nate Berkus that I carry with me all the time. That&rsquo;s why I always ask my clients about their lifestyle, about family preferences, and their hobbies, and try to integrate all that into their home design.&nbsp;How Do You Conceptualise Your Design Ideas?&nbsp;I insist on being on-site to feel the space out. When I&rsquo;m on site, I&rsquo;d close my eyes to visualise everything around the house, thinking of how the space should look like.It works for me every time. What Is One Advice You&rsquo;d Like To Give Up And Coming Interior Designers?&nbsp;Treat every house as your masterpiece. Focus on both the little details and big picture to craft cohesive spaces.

You thought about it. Then thought about it again. And again. You can’t quite get rid of the bothersome feeling that something’s missing… missing a little bit of you. Then you should book an appointment with Kelvin, a professional small details expert on making places feel like… you.

Interview With Kelvin Cai: Making Homes That Tell The Story Of You

Old habits die hard, they say. But did you know that, with just a few design tweaks to the home, you could change your entire lifestyle? You didn&rsquo;t? Then you should really talk to Averse on how you might redesign your life. Meet Averse Yau: Founder, Director, and Creative Director of A Blue Cube Design Pty. Ltd. (or just ABCD). Beginning his career as a sales designer for an interior design firm before deciding that he wanted to do more &ndash; he wanted to change lives for the better. When no one was looking, we quietly snatched him away for an interview.&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1664435151276-1664435151276.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">Photo Credit:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/a-blue-cube-design">A Blue Cube Design</a>&nbsp;Where Did You Start? How Did You Get Into Interior Design?I came to Singapore looking to get into sales 13 years ago. My first job here just happened to be for an interior design firm and I took on the position of, what I termed, a sales designer &ndash; I didn&rsquo;t see myself as an interior designer then. What I did then was sell renovation packages. What Changed?Doing sales was like selling a set meal. Copy and paste. Doing the same thing. I didn&rsquo;t think my career was progressing. However, I met this client, &shy;and he really inspired me to change &ndash; he had put a lot of trust in me. It was through our relationship, where he treated me more as a friend than a <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/best-renovation-contractor-in-singapore">contractor</a>, that I truly appreciated the value of a dream home designer. So, I worked towards becoming one.&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1664435151300-1664435151300.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">Photo Credit: <a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/a-blue-cube-design">A Blue Cube Design</a>&nbsp;What Was The Journey To Becoming An Interior Designer Like For You?Well, I was inspired to learn a lot more about design so, on my own time, I researched things like <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/sixider-material-guide-6-kitchen-backsplashes">materials</a>, design language, and ways that design can improve households and change lives. What Would You Say Your Proudest Work Is?My two work studios. Singapore Interior Design Society (SIDS) awarded both as the Best Workspace Award in 2021 and 2022. Is There a Part Of The Studios You Particularly Love?Pretty much all of it. It was designed by my team and me. One was designed when it was just me and the other when I had expanded to a three-man team. I&rsquo;m really proud of them because, for the first one, I took my time designing it &ndash; a few months. For the second, I knew what I wanted for it from my experience with the first one but it still took me a year to plan and come up with it. Being an <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/guide-choosing-an-interior-designer-in-singapore">interior designer</a>, we usually design to homeowner requirements, working towards functionality and budgets, which can be tedious. The <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/renovation-on-budget">budget</a> and quality don&rsquo;t usually meet. For myself, I understand the function and quality of all the materials, so it was easy to work out the budget for everything. Because of that, I can get materials that I want, understanding their pros and cons. For example, marble is porous and typically not a good material for tabletops. Understanding that I still pushed to use it for my own purpose. While I can&rsquo;t promise my clients that they won&rsquo;t damage marble, I&rsquo;m willing to install &ndash; anything that happens to it is on me. I&rsquo;m responsible for my own design, so I&rsquo;ve got free reign over it.&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1664435151320-1664435151320.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">Photo Credit:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/a-blue-cube-design">A Blue Cube Design</a> How Did You End Up Starting Your Own Outf<span id="isPasted" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 700; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; float: none; display: inline !important;">it?I never thought about starting my studio until Covid-19. The firm that I was working at didn&rsquo;t survive the pandemic. So I got together with some friends and, after some discussion, we started ABCD. What Guides Your Work? What Would You Say Your Design Philosophy Is?Designing a home is like designing a lifestyle for an individual or family. Good design determines a good lifestyle, while bad design does the opposite. Therefore, understanding a homeowner and their family&rsquo;s lifestyle, and their good and bad habits, is very important to designing a home. I&rsquo;ve had the pleasure of knowing housewives who&rsquo;ve never cooked until they&rsquo;ve got a very nice kitchen, children who would never come home early now willingly do so because it&rsquo;s more comfy, and a couple who loves travelling but now can&rsquo;t wait to come home every time they&rsquo;re away. I believe in this thing called art therapy. I had a late friend who found peace through performance arts despite having to fight cancer. Art can heal emotions. That&rsquo;s why design is really important because good art can help people. What Inspires Your Work? Is There a Favourite Place You Like To Go To For Inspiration?Everywhere. I kind of have a poor work-life balance. The two have merged so well that I don&rsquo;t realise whether I&rsquo;m living or working. The moment I step out of my room, office or bedroom, I will just absorb things all around it. So I like travelling. I always find that Mother Earth is the best designer in the world. There&rsquo;s inspiration in things like the unlikely colour combination such as chicken feathers where you get brown and blue together. In marble, you can book-match (matching grains so that both sides mirror each other) them and see things like cow heads. After I&rsquo;ve stored all this inspiration in my head, I use it in my work. That&rsquo;s not to say that I don&rsquo;t get inspired by other designers too!&nbsp;<img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1664435151343-1664435151343.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;">Photo Credit: <a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/a-blue-cube-design">A Blue Cube Design</a>&nbsp;What Is Your Advice For Up-and-Coming Interior Designers?Interior design has changed. Consumers are more knowledgeable and tend to surf the internet to get information and ideas. Do not be afraid of what&rsquo;s coming next. And do not avoid doing something because you&rsquo;re afraid of making mistakes. Bravely embrace your mistakes, learn to admit it, understand it, fix it, and then improve it.

Old habits die hard, they say. But did you know that, with just a few design tweaks to the home, you could change your entire lifestyle? You didn’t? Then you should really talk to Averse on how you might redesign your life.

Interview With Averse Yau: Designing Therapeutic Homes

Some who become <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/guide-choosing-an-interior-designer-in-singapore">interior designers</a> are in it for the money. Others because their parents told them to. And then you have the passion-driven ones; totally and madly in love with design, taking up impossible jobs for the love of it. Jackie Lai is one such person. Founder of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/jia-studios"></a><a href="https://www.sixides.com/professionals/interior-designers/jia-studios">JIA Studios</a>, a multidisciplinary design studio in Singapore with projects in multiple nations. However, that&rsquo;s not all. His accolades and responsibilities are myriad; he&rsquo;s got awards from all around the world &ndash; Germany, Italy, Taiwan, and, of course, Singapore &ndash; AND is a council member of both Society of Interior Designers Singapore (SIDS) and Singapore Interior Designer Accreditation Council (SIDAC). A true believer in the future, he is an Adjunct Lecturer at Temasek Polytechnic to train up and coming interior designers. There&rsquo;s really no space here for everything else about him &ndash; there&rsquo;s just too much. And everyone wants a piece of him. Which is why we drove up to him in a van and dragged him in to force an interview out of him before somebody else did. <img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1667523496181-1667523496181.png" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;"> Every artist has their humble beginnings. What was yours? What got you into interior design? Who is or was your inspiration in interior design?My initial education wasn&rsquo;t interior design but in Marine Engineering from Singapore Polytechnic. It was through the module called Naval Architecture in the course that I took interest in design and architecture. What Made ID Stand Out In The Course? What Exactly Was It That You Liked?From an engineer&rsquo;s point of view, a lot of things have to do with mathematical solutions, forces, thermodynamics... that sort of thing. But with naval architecture, it was all about playing with spaces and structures that conforms well to the shape of a ship. It was different from the usual engineering stuff which I ended up liking. From there, I ended up chasing the dream of being an interior designer instead of continuing with engineering. How Did You End Up In Engineering In The First Place?My family business was in the marine industry; enrolling in Marine Engineering was a natural progression for me. However, it didn&rsquo;t hold my interest and I decided to pursue design instead. What Then?I applied for further studies in architecture at universities in Australia, namely University of Canberra and Curtin University. I passed their entry test and got offers to study. Unfortunately, I couldn&#39;t afford to study overseas at that time. So I took up an internship at an interior design firm that allowed me to study interior design part-time. I ended up doing it locally at Lasalle College of the Arts to pursue my passion and got my diploma in interior design. Every Designer Starts Somewhere. What Was Your First Hands-On Interior Design Work?The firm that I worked at got a job to design an exhibition booth for a company that was going to be at the Singapore Expo. I was selected to curate the exhibition space despite there being other capable designers around. It was pretty exciting. <img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1667523496204-1667523496204.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;"> Do You Have An Interior Design Project That You&rsquo;re Proud Of?I would say the Marina One Residences. That one won a lot of awards. This project was unique because the owner came up with the concept: living in the future domain. I wasn&rsquo;t the first choice; I was the fourth. The owner had met three other interior designers before me. Apparently the previous the first three refused to take up the project because it was too challenging and there weren&rsquo;t many craftsmen locally who could fulfil the task. However, I took up the project without a second thought.I spent a lot of time doing research, getting inspiration for the perfect form, and interviewing craftsmen and <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/best-renovation-contractor-in-singapore">contractors</a> to do it. &nbsp;Not many were willing to take up the job. The standard I had set seemed impossible to them. Needless to say, I did find someone, and the residence is now one of my proudest achievements. Who Do You Look Up To?I look upon Zaha Hadid for her forward-looking designs. The curves in her work are particularly sexy and served as the inspiration for my Marina One Residence project. I also aspire to be like my teacher and mentor &ndash; Peter Tay. He taught me at La Salle and later, after I graduated, became Designer of the Year 2014 at the President&rsquo;s Design Award. I remember being the only one to graduate from his course because it was too tough &ndash; the course catered to those who wanted to study while working but it proved to be too difficult for many to juggle. <img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1667523496222-1667523496222.jpeg" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;"> What&rsquo;s Your Design Philosophy?A design philosophy defines what a design should be able to achieve or accomplish, design should be able to feel and enhance human experience or even evoke human emotions. I hope to inspire and offer great design that can impact the environment and the community. What Inspires Your Work? Where Do Your Ideas Come From?They come from everywhere. It&rsquo;s an occupational hazard. As an interior designer, I think I&rsquo;m more observant than the usual person. I observe everything in day-to-day life and the environment for inspiration. Nature is a great source of it. Even from a young age I&rsquo;ve been drawn to great designs surrounding us. Beautiful things inspire me. <img src="https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sixides-us/uploads%2F1667523496275-1667523496275.png" class="fr-fil fr-dib" style="width: 100%;"> What Is One Advice You&rsquo;d Like To Give Up And Coming Interior Designers?Designing an <a href="https://www.sixides.com/articles/indoor-garden-ideas-for-hdbs">indoor</a> environment is a huge responsibility for an interior designer.An interior designer must plan, research, coordinate, and manage these projects to obtain an adequately healthy and aesthetically pleasing environment for the people who use the space.Passion is what would keep your fire going in this pursuit of excellence, stay hungry for knowledge and stay passionate!

Some who become interior designers are in it for the money. Others because their parents told them to. And then you have the passion-driven ones; totally and madly in love with design, taking up impossible jobs for the love of it. Jackie Lai is one such person.

Interview With Jackie Lai: Passion For Design And The Future

It takes a special kind of person to just roll with it when things go sour. With Dennis Cheok, when life gives him lemons, he doesn’t just make lemonade; he turns it into an Avant Garde sculpture with a story to tell.

Interview With Jordan: Envisioning Fully Utilised Spaces

You’ve done your homework. You’ve planned your home. But there’s this really annoying space you don’t know what do to with. Enter Jordan.

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